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Anonymous
So, what does /x/ think about the legends of the Holy Grail? Do you believe it's been found? Do you believe that it's in Cambodia, as the priests of a certain temple claim? Do you believe it exists at all?
>> Anonymous
The ark of the covenant is in Ethiopia.
Anyway, I believe it's just symbolic. A myth, not a physical object or a blood line or whatever. Watch The Fisher king.
>> Anonymous
no ,and even if jesus was real and it did exist, why would it matter.
>> Anonymous
Of course the Holy Grail exists...haven't you seen Indiana Jones?
>> The Unfulfiller !!nA1z0Vw5MLi
I bet it's just a crappy cup.
>> Anonymous
OP here. The hell, brain. Mixing my holy symbols apparently.
>>733880
Never heard of it, but I'll look it up.
>>733882
Curiosity. If there was a cup that gave you eternal life, wouldn't you want to know where it was, just in case?
>>733885
Where do you think my pic is from?
>>733888
Quite possible, and more probable than other theories.
>> The Unfulfiller !!nA1z0Vw5MLi
>>733891

and the only paranormal thing about it is that it's maybe ageless?
>> Anonymous
>>733900
OP again. Older stuff than it has been found.
I'm torn between saying it's made of wood and saying it's made of clay. One would assume that clay would have been used more frequently. If it's found and still in perfect condition, I'll be convinced.
>> Anonymous
The legend of the Holy Grail is older that that of Jesus. It was around before the time where they say Jesus lived.
Check the story of Melchisedek. "bringing forth bread and wine, for he was the priest of the most high God, blessed him"
Rituals with bread and wine are way older that the Last Supper.
>> Anonymous
The spear of destiny exists. It's not impossible that the holy grail exists, therefore yea.. but cambodia having it? I'm a bit sceptic about that part.
>> Anonymous
>>733909
OP here. As I stated above, I was mixing my religious artifacts. Ignore the Cambodia thing.
>>733907
I was talking of the specific incarnation of the Grail that Knights went out in search of (the one that supposedly caught the blood of Christ), not just a grail that might do the same thing. Also, that excerpt says to me that the rites were there, but there was no single cup.
>> Anonymous
>>733919
Read the myth of Perceval or Parsifal. The legend is European, not even Jewish. It was taken from Pagan Mythology and incorporated into Christian Mythology.
I am not searching for documentation right now, cause I am on my way out the door.
I mentioned Melchisedek as an example of this. That Christian Mythology is based on pre existent myths.
>> Anonymous
ITS IN PETRA
>> Anonymous
>>733891
>>If there was a cup that gave you eternal life, wouldn't you want to know where it was, just in case?

Why would a cup that Jesus supposedly drank from give you eternal life?
>> Anonymous
>>733984
good point.

also, Christians believe that they will gain eternal life in heaven with Jesus + pals, not in this fuckload of ass this world is. why would anyone want that, anyway?
>> Anonymous
>>733984
My theory is that it's not the cup, but the acid that Jesus dropped in the wine, that gave the feeling of eternity to people who drank it.
>> Anonymous
>>734003
The idea that this world is a fuckload of ass is a very Christian idea.
>> Anonymous
>>734015
and this is news to whom?
>> Anonymous
>>733984
mm, jesus backwash.
>> ­
SCP-XXX, also known as the Holy Grail, is currently being kept under strictest surveillance in Site 62. Any attempts to extricate the object from Site 62 will be resisted by any and all means necessary. This is all you need to know.
>> Anonymous
>>734020
To Christians. They believe it's true, not just their belief.
>> ­
>>734015
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha
>> Anonymous
The Holy Grail is a symbol.
http://www.searchforthegrail.com/
>> Anonymous
As a Christfag: the "holy grail" existed, if what you mean by that is the cup that Jesus drank from during the last supper. But it almost certainly wasn't used to catch his blood (except, as he said at supper, symbolically), it didn't have any special properties, and it's most likely long destroyed.
>> Anonymous
>>734053
That's what I said, but nobody listen to reason, here.
It represents the Self, the quest for the grail represents the quest for wholeness.
>> Anonymous
GAIZ I KNOW WHAT THE GRAIL IS, I FOUND TEH CODEX!11 OMG RTHERES AN ALBINO AFTER ME
>> Anonymous
>>734063
As a fellow Christfag, I must concur, this gentleman has it right. Nowhere in Scripture is there any significance attributed to the cup Christ drank from, it was the symbolic "flesh of my flesh and blood of my blood" (semi symbolic, anyway... depending on your theological leanings) that mattered. The cup is irrelevant, but as usual Western Religions want an ICON, not just an idea. The myth of the grail arose from Arthurian legend, so if you think King Arthur and Camelot really existed (they didn't, if you didn't know that...) you are welcome to go on thinking a piece of wood from 2,000 years ago is still around, healin' dem lazors. If people want to look for anything, it should be the Lance of Longinus, it really -was- covered in the Blood.
>> Anonymous
Only the purest can ever find the Holy Grail. And when you find it you DIE. That's what happened to Galahad.

it sucks.
>> Anonymous
It is more likely that King Arthur existed than the bullshit in the bible being true
>> Anonymous
>>734147
gaiz, you just got mentally pwned by a CHRISTIAN. if you can't be intelligently skeptical without his help, you're fucked.
>> Anonymous
>>734160
>>734160
I'm not here to preach, but in the unlikely event that you're at all interested in having incorrect assumptions changed, I will inform you briefly that:
*Absolute proof that a universal flood occurred has been found in a layer of moisture between several of earth's tectonic plates
*Carbon dating proves that everyone in the vicinity of the historical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were killed at the same time
*There are over 135 prophecies in the Old Testament making predictions about the life and manner of death of the Messiah up to 2,000 years BEFORE the birth of Christ, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth fulfills every one of them. Due to the detail of some and general exclusivity of them, the odds of this happening are astronomical to the point that they are believed to be scientifically impossible.
*There is more historical, archeological, as well as (slightly less important) recorded eyewitness testimony to the existence and life of Christ than Julius Caesar

Just give it some thought friend, look stuff up before you spew =)
>> Anonymous
>>734147
Lance of Longinus is another myth.
Cross is another myth. The word for it is Stauros, and it was a stake, if anything Jesus might have been impaled for all I know. Romans didn't crucify people, they hung them at stakes and left then to die. Nails, spears and soldiers playing dice over Jesus robe... it's all Myth.
Christians use the cross because it's an Ancient solar symbol. I represents the *path* of the sun during the year. Marked in four points by two solstices and two equinoxes.
>> Anonymous
>>734171
You can find proof of anything, if you dig deep enough.
>> Anonymous
>>734181
It's considerably, CONSIDERABLY more likely that Jesus was crucified on a different kind of cross, one that looks more like a capital T than a lowercase t. This kind of cross was more useful because instead of hoisting the whole cross up, using a lot of energy/manpower, you could just raise the top bar into place and it would slide in. Easy and simple.

The Romans used the capital T almost exclusively.
>> Anonymous
>>734181
WOW congratulations you saw Zeitgeist too!

Oh my, I see you didn't sniff through the bullshit though... Oh well hey, you'll get there! Thanks for your thoughts. Or someone else's thoughts anyway.
>> Anonymous
>>734195
Haha also, don't get me started on the Cross. Not only do I agree with you, but frankly regardless of which type it was, the Greek X, the Roman T or the "Buddy Jesus" t, modern Christians are, as I said, too hung up on symbols and worship them more than Christ Himself. As I was saying before, the bulk of human beings prefer Icons over Ideas.
>> Anonymous
>>734160
There is an Arthur figure in British history. He wasn't named "Arthur" but he held shit together in Britain against the Saxon invaders in the 5th century when the whole area was going to pot. At least 4 or 5 other kings (even a couple Romans) had details of their lives thrown in to make the story more interesting, but the main figure is generally thought to be a guy named Riothamus or Artorious. Nobody will agree 100% on this, but eh...take it or leave it.
>> Anonymous
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>>734198
Well, true. I watched Zeitgeist during my stay in a Monastery in North Italy, on the 11th century. I even did some drawing based on the movie, and then, donate to the National Library in Paris.
>> Anonymous
>>734228
Oog speak good. Grammer number 1 subject!
>> Anonymous
>>734237
You can tell a Christian for his lack of arguments.
>> Anonymous
>>734240
You're an cockholster for immediately assuming I'm part of a religion because I laughed at a guy who writes like a 3rd grader. Fuckin Gypsie.
>> Anonymous
>>734249
Insults don't validate your opinion.
>> Anonymous
>>734251
NO U
>> Anonymous
>>734240
Hahah don't worry about this guy, he probably assumes you were me (the Christfag). It's highly likely he hasn't yet grasped the advanced concept of "Anon"; he may even believe this entire thread is a conversation between two distinct people.

He'll make OT8 someday.
>> Anonymous
>>734171

So, we should consider these four points written by anonymous in 4chan to be some sort of proof?

I'll laugh in your general direction. Ha.
>> Anonymous
>>734324
That's fair. My point was just to say, it merits investigation. You don't have to take my word for it but if you look into empirical proofs for Biblical "stories" you may be surprised what you find. I don't expect you to go "OH NOES QWUT HAV I BEEN DOIN W/MY LIFE" just because some jackass you don't know put 4 things behind a * and said it was true. If I came to my faith on something that tenuous I would have probably been swayed by the Zeitgeist bullshit along with everything else on /x/, haha so your skepticism is both warranted and appreciated. =)
>> Anonymous
>>734171
Occam's razor incoming.
*If there was universal flood, it doesn't mean god did it. It could have been a variety of things, such as ice caps melting. Also the story of Noah is almost a carbon copy of a much earlier Babylonian myth.
* It could have been a plague, barbarian horde, invasion, etc. The makers of the Old Testament obviously noticed that these cities where gone and attributed it to God.
*The scrolls that make up the old testament did exist before that time, but the bible was made much later by the Catholic church. They could easily have inserted the prophecies to legitimize their religion. The book of revelations was inserted this way, by the man who had been forced into exile to assemble and write the bible, as his revenge against the catholics.
*Yes he existed, but there is no proof that he was more than a man with a nice philosophy.
Just showing that there are people here who look up this shit.
>> Anonymous
1. The cup used by Jesus in the Last Supper is much much much much less important compared to the Last Supper itself. So, while the cup itself did exist, there's a very small possibility that it still exists today. Jesus wouldn't have used a golden cup, therefore the cup would've been made of clay or wood, and it wouldn't last for 2000 years.

2. Why would someone took Jesus' blood in a cup? What was the point? I thought they would be busy thinking on where to put His body before Sabbath.
>> Anonymous
If you look at the painting of the Last Supper, everyone has a cup. Even though this is painted YEARS after the death of Christ, DaVinci was a hard core Christ Fag. So he knew what he was doing.
>> Anonymous
>>735608
clearly some sexual fetish involving blood.
>> Anonymous
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Hey guys... here's a bomb for your collective laps:

YOU'RE TAKING IT TOO LITERALLY.

The holy grail isn't a real cup somewhere. It is symbolic.

That is all, you can go back to sleep now.
>> Anonymous
>>735783
This is /x/, most of the people here can't help but take things literally. Kind of ironic for a paranormal board
>> Anomynous
There is no Jesus. Therefore, there is no cup that Jesus drank out of at the Last Supper which never occurred.
>> Anonymous
why the hell would it be in Cambodia?
>> Anonymous
>>735794
On holiday
>> Anonymous
>>735801

It's a holiday in cambodia~!
>> Anonymous
>>735802
It's tough kid but it's life
>> Anonymous
The fantasy of cumming in that cup... it helps me get off every night
>> Thammuz
Even if it existed, and it probably did, you have to remember it probably was a cheap wooden cup, it probably decomposed by now
>> Anonymous
The Grail is probably like every other religious artifact: real or based on reality but without the mysticism.
>> Anonymous
>>735868
>remember it probably was a cheap wooden cup
It was a cheap wooden MAGIC cup. So no decomposing there
>> Anonymous
>>735590
Thank you for actually looking things up my friend.
You're right about the flood and I'll even grant you're right on all points (except Sodom and Gomorrah, it's unlikely that Barbarian hordes would've killed every person there at the same time without the use of any weapons whatsoever; there was not the slightest hint of battle or even death by trauma/bleeding on any of the bodies), but that's where Faith comes in. If there were 100% verifiable absolute proof, then nothing would be required of us, God would be as mundane as the presence of the moon or the sky's color. For something to have meaning, it must require effort, self sacrifice, and I believe that this is the reason God doesn't just show up and go "It's me, Jesus, lol"; that would rob of us of our own choice, our own effort, our own faith. There's also nothing saying God didn't work within the natural order he created here on earth. The 10 plagues of Egypt for instance were recorded in Egyptian, Hebrew, and I believe even Phoenecian records (I won't pretend I'm -certain- about the Phoenecian, which I'm also probably misspelling) and even if it was red clay dumping into the Nile, turning it to "the color of blood," which drove out frogs which caused an increase in insect population etc. etc. etc., that doesn't account for the timing. How could all those things have been happening at the same time Moses was confronting the Pharoh about the enslavement of the Israelites? God doesn't always utterly circumvent the natural order He created, sometimes He works within it but with miraculous timing.
>> Anonymous
>>733909
now thats interesting... the spear of destiny i would much like to know more
>> Anonymous
>>736548
then fucking google it, bitch. stop bogging my internets.
>> Anonymous
the holy grail is really located in Dubbo Australia cunts !!!!!
>> Anonymous
its a tupperware tumbler !
>> Anonymous
WHITE WHALE HOLY GRAIL
>> Anonymous
Sodom and Gomorrah where destroyed by an earthquake combined with unstable ground around the lake which meant they 'sank' into the sandy wet soil they where built on.
>> Anonymous
Grail legends don't appear till 800-1200 years after the crucifixtion supposedly took place, and they first appear in western europe, specifically france and england, moving one way or the other following the norman conquest. It seems an odd story to be from Christian sources, and so like the Lance of Longinus is likely a Christian modification of an older regional pagan legend.
>> Anonymous
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The holy grail is the genetic map. The human body has always been refered to as a vessel or container. Genetic perfection = An agless life of flawless physical health.
>> Anonymous
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So I heard you were looking for me?
>> Anonymous
>>737909

Were talking about the Holy Grail not if Jesus got it on or not...
>> Anonymous
Since there is no evidence of Jesus' existence, the existence of a drinking cup belonging to him is doubtful
>> Anonymous
>>737938

>no evidence of Jesus' existence

You mean asides from that whole "Roman records of his execution" thing, right?
>> Anonymous
>>737942

got a source for that?
>> Anonymous
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>>737961
There was an actual Jesus... no one can say he was God's son but he was still existant. There is just too many references to him in various scriptures....

Did /x/ get off topic again?

Pic is 100% accurate.
>> Anonymous
>>737961
Why are you on a paranormal board if all you want to do is dismiss the paranormal? Maybe there should be a /na/ for naturalists.
>> Anonymous
>>737961

Give me a few minutes to find a source that isn't all Jesus-freaky, or that starts with "wiki".
>> Anonymous
>>737961
>>737996

Let's start with this:
http://sonic.net/sentinel/naij3.html
>> Anonymous
>>737938
>>737961
I lol'd
There isn't any evidence of ancient Greece existence either.
>> Anonymous
>>733879
*Which* legend of the Holy Grail? The one about it being carved from the crown of Lucifer? The one about it being brough to England by Joseph? The one about the holy bloodline? The one by Wolfram von Esenbach? The one nazis believed?...
>> Anonymous
OP here. I thought this thread died.

You all make some good points. Reading over the thread fully before I reply.
>> Anonymous
>>734147
Arthur did exist, just not as the stories say, if I remember right he was like a "general".
>> Anonymous
>>738022
RAAAAAAAAAGE


As for Jesus's existence; check his wiki's citations. It's broadly accepted by the scholarly (not restricted to theologic) community that Jesus existed.
>> Anonymous
>>738005

Thanks. I concede that there is some historical evidence of Jesus' existence, independent of scripture. But what about his magic cup?

>>737981

What's wrong with looking for evidence of paranormal phenomena?
>> Anonymous
THEIR TREASURE WAS KNOWLEDGE!
>> Anonymous
>>736021

Reminds me of this:

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
>> Frightened Individual !IAd1rUKHuQ
there were probably messiahs just about every other day

....this ones cult just happened to survive longer
>> Anonymous
>>738055

actually that's a semi truth. Only 4 of the 80 ish historians of that region/time period. If there was a jesus he was probably not the biblical jesus, or even a jesus who was near as big. That is what alot of scholars believe
>> Anonymous
I believe it's located in Louvre because I read it somewhere.