i read tons.
"The Dreamquest of Unkown Kadath(sic?)" Is one of my all time favorites
I also like "the colour out of space"
i dont want to analyze "the outsider" too much because its the shock of the end that makes the story so great. He didn't know he was the terror until he saw himself. I'm guessing that hes some poor soul doomed to forever wander in forgetfulness and fear. Kind of like an ugly old person with alzheimer's.

>>847432

OP. I lol'd at Alzheimer's reference.
I think I'm gonna read Shadows Over Insmouth next. How's that one?

I've read it before, one of my personal favorites. I love how everything was described, and the general idea of the character having lived in such a way and setting. The idea of assuming one's appearance solely on the depictions of others really intrigued me. I've never given thought as to what it is exactly, just assumed it as a monster of some kind. Curiously though, it did mention hazily seeing someone of similar form (I think).

The story is wonderful though, the tone and mood is astounding, and the descriptions are great.

>>847442
It's actually pretty good and one of the first ones I read. If you haven't read "dreamquest", do that next
I wish I had my books with me, I'd remember all the good ones.... lesse here....

The character in The Outsider is a ghoul

>>847443
I read somewhere that Lovecraft later hated the story calling it a piece of trash...that upsets me. I mean, as an artist I know the feeling of hating a piece of your work that everyone else loves, but I've never done anything as incredible as The Outsider.

>>847451
.....oh, ok I remember some....
read "the temple" and "the walls of eryx" simply because they are lovecraft stories in very un-lovecraftian settings....lemme think some more

Isn't a mummy essentially the same thing as a zombie?

They're both undead creatures that are falling apart.

>>847462
....oh yah!!! "rats in the walls" is a MUST READ.

>>847442
Honestly, i'd say go down to your local library and pick up every book they have of him. his stories are like pringles

I don't think it really matters what it is specifically, knowing that it's a hideous being from a most dreary underworld is suffice enough.

>>847473
Lulz
"Pickman's Model" Is an excellent introduction to ghouls, and one of the characters appears again in the novella "The Dreamquest of Unkown Kadath". If you want to read a good one that doesn't really tie into any of the mythos's, I'd suggest "The hound" It's one of his entertaining but more accesible stories.

LIVE THREAD LIVE

>>847414

sex face

If you liked "Outsider" you should try "The statement of Randolph Carter" -great atmosphere, and a switch ending. Also give "The cats of Ulthar" a look, especially if you like cats/hate old mean people. "Dagon" is short and fun, "The call of Cthulhu" is his classic work. S. T. Joshi is the premiere Lovecraft biographer/Editor, any Lovecraft book edited by Joshi is going to be 100% clearer/more understandable than the same story in another book. "Polaris" is a great short, "The strange case of charles dexter ward" is his longest, (still short). "The dunwich horror" is excellent, as is "The thing on the doorstep". As mentioned, "innsmouth" and "rats" are very nice, "The festival" is also a good short with a twisty ending. I could go on, but it's dinner time.

>>847414
What kind of stupid question is that?

More genius question: Have you guys heard of Cthulu? :D

Lovecraft was a little bitch with a talent for spinning yarns of shit who developed a cult following of whiny D&D basement dwelling losers that worshiped the bowl he squatted on.

Dissagree? Then have some dragoncock, you faggot. You're obviously in denial.

>>847703
MOAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FImFAtkbT8w

>>847487
>I'd suggest "The hound" It's one of his entertaining but more accesible stories.

That's also where the Necronomicon (I always misspell that) was first mentioned.

Almost all of HP Lovecraft's stories are in the public domain now. You can read them at a number of places online.
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/index.html

I'd like to read his letters. From what I understand, the letters that he exchanged with his fellow writers and friends were really better than his short stories, which really aren't all that great a lot of the time. I mean, come on, Cthulhu was run over by a boat like a fucking manatee.

>>847703
>>847703
>>847703
>>847703

FUCK YEAH, DRAGON COCK

>>847703
HURR HURR. I HATEZ THINGS THAT ARE POPULAR TO BE KEWEL>

Unless you have a valid literary criticism of his work, feel free to shut the fuck up you uneducated piece of filth.

There are aspects of his literature that can be criticized, but as a whole it's extremely sound and groundbreaking for its genre.

>>847761
Homosexual basement dweller detected. Enjoy your D&D.

>>847778
I've never played the game, and I fail to see the connection between his literature and D&D.

Oh, right. You're using an insult I remember from 5th grade.

GJ, man. A+ for effort.

>>847780
>>847761
Hooooooooly SHIT, fag. It's only fiction. Bad fiction about ancient giant monsters and shit. I'd rather watch godzilla or cloverfield. Give it a rest and go get laid or something, you whiny obsessive loser.

>>847414
I borrowed Dreams of Terror and Death, it's my first Lovecraft experience. I fucking love his writing style, sounds like it's being read by wise beard man.

>>847799
I get hard for lovecraft too. We should hook up and stroke eachother's cocks while we talk about Cthulhu

>>847718

Cthulhu wasn't killed by the boat, his head immediately begins to re-form, but he's dragged down under the water again by Ry'leh sinking.

Lovecraft's letters are just letters, his stories are great, and "The Hound" is deliberate self-parody, not one of his better works.

tl;dr: learn shit

I haven't read it in a few years, but I know which one you're talking about. Sadly, as well-written as I thought it was, I wasn't surprised when the ending hit. At the time it was probably fairly original, though.

>>847789

1/10

"the doom that came to sarnath" is short and sweet

>>847850
Even the writing of Azathoth is great.

>>847829
BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>847823
Your Great Old One was knocked the fuck out after getting run over by a boat. Lovecraft's letters, which include some rather story homoerotic love poems that he wrote to Randolph Carter, were at least somewhat readable compared to the overblown, overwritten Mythos stories.

DEALT.

ITT: People express their love and obsession for a dead author who wrote shity stories about giant rape monsters.

>>847874

Go back under your bridge troll

>>847898
Yes because someone who recognizes your homoerotic obsessions with a giant tentacled rape monster is obviously just a troll.

You're worse than a furfag.

the outsider confused the hell out of me when i first read it because my understanding of the word "unyielding" was incorrect

Lovecraft's books are freely available online. Having taken the time to read them, I can honestly say that there is nothing special about Lovecraft's writing style save for his ridiculous imaginings. In fact, I find his work to be quite mediocre as well as being colored by the ugly prejudices of his class and era.

tl;dr, H.P. Lovecraft sucks, you guys. Do grow up.

whats the point of the Lovecraft bashing?

you either "get" it or you don't just like anything else...

its not about him being a genius writer...whats wrong with digging pulp/overblown/florid FUN stories from another era?

reminds me of a friend who read Lovecraft and complained that it wasn't scary...

its not really about being scary, although to me some of HPL's better stuff is pretty effective...its just the whole vibe of it, you like it if you like it man...

some of us like Robert E Howard and the Doc savage books and all that silly stuff in that vein...its just a particular taste, like low-budget horror films or lowbrow artwork or a million other things...

/x/ - the only paranormal/creepy board that will bash H.P. Lovecraft, a critically acclaimed HORROR writer that's been praised for decades

>>848091

The only board paranoid and continually freaked out to see through the hype and bullshit.

Slightly topical, I'm downloading Call of Cthulhu: Darl Corners of the Earth.

Anyone else played it? Is it any good?

>>848095
I don't think you understand my point.

It's stupid to say Lovecraft is bad on a paranormal board. That's like going to /a/ and saying that anime sucks. It may suck, but it's a board for talking about anime, not saying anime sucks.

/x/ is for paranormal and creepy things. Lovecraft's writings are about the paranormal and can be creepy. Lovecraft belongs on /x/.

>>848141
its pretty good, some bricks shat- think it crashed for me at a frustrating point so i raged.

>>848154

Just because it's /x/ material, doesn't mean we have to praise it. Shitsux.

>>848141
It's pretty good, though too hard at times.

It has some excellent moments that you'll recognize instantly if you've read Lovecraft's more famous stories, like having to escape from a hotel in the middle of the night just for one.

>>848000
>>848091
>>848154

"Boo-hoo, poeople don't understand my passion, wah-wah!"

Just because someone doesn't share your boner for Lovecraft doesn't mean they don't "get it". Didn't you for one second think that the reason you're getting made fun of is because people DO get it?

Or perhaps, just perhaps, your brand of tired old faggotry from the early part of the last century is getting a bit WORN and maybe a little annoying? Maybe some people are fucking sick and tired of it.

>>848400
Word.

>>848400
Fine. Name three horror writers that are better than Lovecraft, and name three works by each author that you have personally read. And don't just name three very short stories, either.

Lovecraft had a great imagination but he sucks at the actual practice of writing. He's a bad author.

>>848436
How so?

>>848436

If you're the type of person that considers writing an art, then really, talent is subjective just as it is in any other art form...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for either side here. Just saying.

>>848432
How old are you? I'm willing to be you're still in junior high.

>>848441
I direct you to>>847974

>>848444
>I don't read horror fiction, so I can't name any other authors. I just like to bitch about popular things.
fix'd

>>848443

Talent is not subjective. You can not say that the average person can write as well as Shakespeare. You can't tell me ordinary people paint as well as Raphael. Talent is not subjective. It only appears that way to you because you're not educated enough in the art form to know the difference between good and bad writing. Lovecraft is bad writing.

>>848448
Poor small minded little boy... I could have googled horror authors if that were the case. I simply don't think your question makes any sense. It's just childish.

>>848453

Ooh, someone's catty.
I was simply making a point. As I said, I wasn't defending Lovecraft. (:

>>848432

Edgar Alan Poe (who Lovecraft imitated and aspired to be)
Stephen King (his latter work is crap but his early stuff is some of the best in the genre)
Bram Stoker
William Peter Blatty
Shirley Jackson
Thomas Ligotti

^ all of these authors are better than Lovecraft.

>>848445
>there is nothing special about Lovecraft's writing style save for his ridiculous imaginings. In fact, I find his work to be quite mediocre as well as being colored by the ugly prejudices of his class and era.
That doesn't really explain how his writing is bad. It's the same as saying, "He sucks," but with more words.

If Lovecraft's writing sucks so bad, it shouldn't be hard to explain why it sucks. I'll give one possible reason: "He needlessly uses a lot of esoteric words that make it hard for regular readers to approach his writing." Of course, if that's why you dislike Lovecraft, you're not really saying he's a bad writer. Just that you're stupid.

It's easy for me to explain why Dr. Phil sucks. He's arrogant and thinks he knows everything; he seems to always take the woman's side, no matter the situation; and he has no reason to be helping people because he barely knows anything about real psychology. I can say all that without a lot of trouble because Dr. Phil honestly does suck. What about Lovecraft?

>>848457

You didn't make any point. You just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about. Even if you agree with me, you're still an idiot if you think talent is entirely subjective.

There have been way too many Lovecraft debate threads on /x/.

Group A loves the guy, Group B thinks he sucks cock, and both sides are sticking to their guns in the matter... Get over it, you guys, Lovecraft isn't rolling over in his grave for any of you, and it just doesn't matter.

>>848460
I just want you to know that watching people fucking with faggy defensive pussies like you is massively entertaining.

>>848462

Which is all well and good, I'm not the one getting his balls in a knot over an anonymous internet argument about HP Lovecraft.

Lovecraft is bad for many reasons. I don't fault him too much for trying to use overly flowery wording, he was trying to imitate other authors of the time. But he can't write characters at all. None of his people have personalities or believable motivations. They're all Mary Sues who just do whatever the plot requires them to regardless of whether or not it makes any sense. He also relies on the "unnameable, indescribable horror" line too much just to avoid having to bother describing anything scary.

>>848455
That's why I said to name three pieces of fiction by each author, something>>848458didn't do. I'm guessing he just used Google. Especially since usually the same people who bash Lovecraft bash Poe at the same time.

>>848453
At a certain point, talent does become subjective. You can't look at Raphael and say he's better or worse than Michelangelo, or that Van Gogh is better than Picasso. You admit that all these people have talent and should be praised on some level.

I think above all else, everyone can agree that Lovecraft is better than J.K. Rowling.

At least Lovecraft had a good understanding of speech and grammar.

>>848471

EXPELLIARMUS

>>848469

And that's just the problem, Lovecraft is untalented. He did not have ANY talent for writing. As a writer, he's substandard. That was his greatest weakness. He could imagine interesting and frightening stories but he couldn't write worth a damn.

>>848469
See, this is why you're a fag. You say on one hand that talent is subjective, when on the other hand you categorically deny someone else's opinion about authors he/she feels are better than Lovecraft as if it were fact.

And you don't see the contradiction there? You think your *opinion* is better or more true or something. You're so faggy and full of yourself that you've lost the ability to see when you're being full of shit. Hence, you are totally gay for Lovecraft. He gives you a boner. So gay that it blinds you. You are the very definition of the word ridiculous.

Oh and by the way, the saying goes that ART is subjective. Saying talent is subjective makes you sound stupid.

>>848480

Eh, some people think Lovecraft is talented - that's their opinion.
You don't think he is, which is your opinion.

Sounds subjective to me.

>>848484
You forgot that Lovecraft fans are fags.

>>848489
Yeah, they really hurt people by liking an author.

At least Lovecraft fans don't dress up in costumes and hold conventions like furries or Potter fans or anime geeks.

These Lovecraft threads are turning into the same shit as Christians vs. Atheists. If you don't like Lovecraft, then don't fucking post in the thread.

>>848489

>>848484
Except that I never stated my opinion. Now you're just imagining shit.

>>848494

Wow. You sound like a conservative douchebag. "If you don't like my opinion, then go away."

This is a Lovecraft thread, for discussing Lovecraft. This is not a thread about sucking his dick and only saying nice things about him. We're here to discuss his work, the good AND the bad (which is most of it).

>>848494
No conventions? HAH. http://carolbrowne.com/index.php?itemid=388

Lovecraft fans are fucking sick weirdos, man.

Lovecraft is awesome. Anyone who disagrees autofags themselves.

>>848510
lol

>>848494At least Lovecraft fans don't dress up in costumes and hold conventions like furries or Potter fans or anime geeks.

YOU = WRONG
YOU = WRONG
YOU = WRONG

Lovecraft sucks. Anyone who disagrees is a furry who just wants to get fucked by men in a Cthulhu suit.

>>848515
Truth

>>848504
OP didn't say anything about discussing the good and bad of Lovecraft. He wanted to talk about a specific story that he liked.

OP probably expected people who like Lovecraft to post in this thread, not trolls saying Lovecraft sucks.

>>848530
Welcome to the internet, where everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Makes life simple, doesn't it?

>>848530

How does knowing that Lovecraft is a bad writer make anyone a troll? It's just a fact. Reviewers of his own time said he was bad. His friends and colleagues said he was bad. He was a bad writer. He would have been completely forgotten by history if it weren't for August Derleth stealing his mythos and writing stories based on it. It was Derleth who made Lovecraft famous posthumously. Lovecraft in his own time had trouble even getting his stories published because people hated them. They were godawful and no one liked them.

>>848546
haha pwnd

Neil Gaiman, Stephen King, Clive Barker, and John Carpenter are well-known, well-liked, and considered to be very good at what they do. They all like Lovecraft and praise his writings. If anyone is fit to judge horror, it's these guys.

>>848584
Or more likely, they are just paying lip service because they know the genre and it's audience. Get real buddy.

>>848623
See, /x/philes? This is how you spot a troll - a person trying to start a fight by saying anything possible to piss you off.

Don't talk to them. It only makes the situation worse.

>>848628
How is that a troll. It is a realistic statement about capitalism. I'm sorry you feel offended by reality. Truly.

>>848584

None of those authors ever said Lovecraft was a good writer. They said that his mythos influenced their own work. There's a difference.

>>848628
Jesus Christ, man. Of all the posts you could cry over, you chose THAT one? Talk about Oversensitive. No wonder people hate lovecraftfags.

>>848633
"H.P. Lovecraft has yet to be surpassed as the twentieth century's greatest practitioner of the classic horror tale." - Stephen King
"A master craftsman, Lovecraft brings compelling visions of nightmarish fear, invisible worlds and the demons of the unconscious. If one author truly represents the very best in American literary horror, it is H.P. Lovecraft." - John Carpenter

Another way to tell that a person is a troll - they talk complete bullshit

>>848650
I still don't see where this proves that they aren't just paying lip service because they know what people want to hear. Take William Shatner for example, goes to hundreds of trek conventions and finally one day lets his true feelings slip out. What happens? His fans go ape shit until he goes, "Sorry, just kidding guys!"

What do you think would happen if King or Carpenter or anyone in the genre for that matter would start critiquing Lovecraft instead of just stating how super-badass and awesome he is? People like you would start freaking out.

Call it bullshit if you like, call it a troll, but that only makes you appear to be baseless and insecure.

>>848663

This is probably closer to reality than you'd like to think. Like holy shit guys! They wouldn't just go saying certain things to keep the money rolling in, would they? I'm sorry, but that's how a lot of shit works. A good example would be a politician, but it works for most every field you can think of. For example, if I am known for criticizing Anhauser Bush then I am probably not going to be able to get a job at the Budweiser plant. Or maybe if during a job interview, if I say something derogatory about something the guy interviewing me likes to do at work, I might not get the job.

It is just realistic, sadly.

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This is why we can't have nice things

>>848682
>>848689
compelling argument

>>848546
Reviewers of Oscar Wilde's time hated him. The dude was persecuted for nearly every single thing he did or wrote.

Your logic is awful, and if you're the same moron that keeps posting here, all you've been saying is "LAWL. YOU LYKE LOVECRAFT, SO UR GEI."

In a far more dragged out and exaggerated fashion. You have yet to come up with ONE intelligent argument for why his literature is bad, other than people like it, and that the people who like it get defensive about it.

Try naming one thing a person is legitimately passionate about that they will not get at least annoyed if someone insults it.

Some people are passionate about literature. Get over it, troll. The only butthurt person here is you complaining that others don't share YOUR opinion that Lovecraft sucks. You're just as much a hypocrite as anyone else you've insulted.

>>848515

I object to this gross generalization. I'm a furry who wants to get fucked by a man in a Cthulu suit, and I've never even read any Lovecraft.

Lovecraft couldn't write for shit

wow look at all these gay trolls in here.
"ANYBODY SUGGEST ANY MORE GOOD LOVECRAFT STORIES?"
"LOVECRAFT SUCKS LOL I AM SUPERIOR"

gj faggots man that's like, such a good argument. totally pwnt. served. dealt. etc. you should totally take a screencap of this thread and post it on /b/. because you owned these guys like sooo good. dang, man!!

>>849183
>Try naming one thing a person is legitimately passionate about that they will not get at least annoyed if someone insults it.

Raping children.

>
Some people are passionate about literature. Get over it, troll. The only butthurt person here is you complaining that others don't share YOUR opinion that Lovecraft sucks. You're just as much a hypocrite as anyone else you've insulted.

BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!

>In a far more dragged out and exaggerated fashion. You have yet to come up with ONE intelligent argument for why his literature is bad, other than people like it, and that the people who like it get defensive about it.

We're reading the same thread, but you seem to exist in an alternate reality where the rules of logic do not apply. Once again, thankyou ever so much.

>Reviewers of Oscar Wilde's time hated him. The dude was persecuted for nearly every single thing he did or wrote.

Plenty of people have been ridiculed throughout history. You're now one of them. That doesn't make you a saint. Get over it,

Your logic is awful, and if you're the same moron that keeps posting here, all you've been saying is "LAWL. YOU LYKE LOVECRAFT, SO UR GEI."

1. There's nothing wrong with liking Lovecraft. It's when you get to the point where when anyone who thinks he sucks must be a troll or just deluded or something, that you become an object of disgust. Like you. The self-important faggot.

2. There's more than one of us "trolls", and several others who are genuinely annoyed by your rampant fanboyism. Thanks for the entertainment, though.

>>849243

Actually, you are trolling. If you can't see that, then I'm really sorry for you? This thread was not an invitation to discuss the merit of various horror writers, it was an invitation to suggest lovecraft stories. The question of whether he was 'good' or not never came up. You entered the thread specifically to make yourself feel superior and provoke negative reaction and get attention. That's pretty much the point of trolling, you know.

>>849243
Actually, you have already implied numerous times that there was something wrong with liking Lovecraft.

And there is nothing illegitimate about complaining that your insults have no basis, nor any actual point. Just like everything you just posted.

Your insults are nonsensical and generalized. "You exist in a different reality." Wow, really? Thanks for that gem.

All of your insults go outside of the actual statement and make a general comment of an unrelated nature.

And, for the record, my Oscar Wilde comment was in reference to the guy claiming that due to the contemporary critics of his time disliking his work, that made Lovecraft's literature poor.

Oscar Wilde was simply being used as a reference to one of many authors, artists, and musicians who were hated during their time, and loved later on in history.

To say that "NO ONE LIKED IT THEN, SO IT'S BAD." is ridiculous.

>>847414
If you post in a thread complaining about something, when nobody asked your opinion, that doesn't mean you're a troll.

When you post repeatedly in a thread about how something sucks, without anyone asking for your opinion, that's annoying.

When you post over and over and over in a thread about how something sucks, when no one wants to listen to you, and you keep saying things to provoke others instead of going on your way, that's trolling.

Everytime I see somebody use "BAAAAAAAAWWWW!!" as a response to an argument I just picture this dumb-looking asshole rubbing his hands over his eyes and screaming it out as if insinuating that that's how you sound is just really going to humiliate you or something. I mean you're not the one going to lengths to mimic a baby in a rational argument, so what the fuck.

>>849261
Every time I see somebody use "BAAAAAAAAWWWW!!" as a response to an argument, I think, "Wow, what a pathetic /b/tard."

>>849278
That too. I'm surprised they haven't started posting image macros to go along with their totally immaculate insults yet. lol

I was never a fan of Lovecraft.

His writing style is unnecessarily verbose and wordy, and it makes getting to the meat of the ideas a terrible task. don't get me wrong, once you get to the point, it's fantastic. His ideas are thoroughly frightening, but he fails to present them in a way that articulates them sufficiently.

Also, the blatant racism is a turn-off.

>>849285
>>849278
>>849261
>>849255
>>849253

you poor uppity fags. I almost feel for you. almost. the fact that you can't get over yourselves has been... tasty.

>>849299
So, though you dislike his writing, you admit that liking him isn't akin to wanting to shove your cock down a 9-year-old boy's throat.

>>849308
>I'm a troll. I think highly of myself for being able to piss people off. You all fell for it. That means I'm better than you, because of some faulty logic I learned on /b/.
fix'd for truth

>>849309
I think people who want to look neat and fancy and smart and hot-shit pretend to like his writing style.

I think people who like him are the same people who love foreign movies (IF IT COMES FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY IT MUST BE GOOD?)

I think people who enjoy his writing style haven't read good literature.

So no, while I don't think it's akin to man-boy rape, I do think most people who hold him on high are flaunting their pretentious douche-baggery.

>>849299
I agree about the racism. And people may try to say "It was normal for the time.", but it's been proven that he was over the top, even for his time period.

However, later on in his work, he "corrected" that mistake, and even discussed in his letters a change of heart of sorts regarding the subject.

I don't have so much a problem with his wordiness as his dialogue, which, though mostly nonexistant, is quite bad. And I also agree that his human characters are quite the mannequins as has been earlier noted.

However, I believe this was intentional as his entire purpose in almost all of his work, particularly his late-career work, was to promote a cosmicist view of the world.

Thus, humans don't require much description as they're entirely irrelevant in the scheme of events described in the story(ies). This may seem like a cop-out, but if you look into the amount of detail he put into his "monster" characters, it's quite apparent he could've done the same with his human ones, but chose not to.

I rather enjoy his wordiness. It presents a very good, clear description of the surroundings but leaves enough space for you to form whatever horrible imaginative details are disturbing to you personally. This is where his genius lies. He leaves room for personal fear.

>>849312
actually, as far as faulty logic goes, you lovecraft fans are tops. you seem to think he is some kind of fantastical god. he isn't. he was a bad writer with only half-decent sci-fi ideas. the twilight zone was more compelling. but you go on professing his greatness and jacking off to cthulhu.

>>849315
>>849314

>I rather enjoy his wordiness. It presents a very good, clear description of the surroundings but leaves enough space for you to form whatever horrible imaginative details are disturbing to you personally. This is where his genius lies. He leaves room for personal fear.

I like him because of that, and I find the ideas and everything very interesting, I don't really mind/care about the racism/sexism

>>849315
His wordiness promotes run-on sentences, confused imagery, and perplexing story-lines.

Verbosity is the bane of literature.

Like I said, he's a good... um... imaginer, I guess. But he fails at writing and articulating. He's a terrible story-teller.

>>849314
I understand where you're coming from regarding some people liking him to be "hip" or whatever, same with the foreign film thing. However, it is not truthful at all that every person who likes Lovecraft is a wannabe who hasn't read anything good. Same with liking foreign films. If a film is good, it doesn't matter if it came from a different country. Same with some of Lovecraft's stories - not all, but some of them are good stories that can freak you out and show that Lovecraft had talent.

I like his stories as a whole.

I hate his lack of writing ability and his shitty style.

I hate his overt racism and belief in the disproved theory of degeneration.

Lovecraft is 80% shit. But what little quality material he did write is worth sifting through the shit for.

>>849314
He lived in Rhode Island/New England most of his life. And I'm assuming most people here are from America as well.

I couldn't quite tell if you were saying people liked it because it's foreign, or if it was similar in poor obsession-related reasons for liking it.

I agree with the latter. Though I don't think liking Lovecraft means you do not like good literature in general. That's an ignorant statement.

I enjoy a wide variety of authors and styles, some critically acclaimed, others not, and Lovecraft is among them.

>>849324
I agree. If you like him, cool.

The pretentious people are the ones who go to great lengths and argue on an anonymous image-board to defend him.

If you think he's good, and you like him, what does it matter if other people don't?

Do not confuse dogmaticism for passion.

>>849318
Yep, you got every single Lovecraft fan pegged. We all worship Lovecraft as a god and sacrifice virgins to his spirit. We say that no writer in the history of the universe has ever been or ever will be as good as he was. We build statues of him and pray to him. Our adoration for Lovecraft shapes the very world, because we are so vocal and adamant about how fantastic he was. That's us, all right.

>>849322
I don't believe that verbosity is always bad, though there are plenty of examples where it is(Last of the Mohecans, quite a few parts of LotR, etc.), but it's all in how it's done.

The Picture of Dorian Gray is considered "wordy", but its wordiness has a contextual point in regard to that story. I can see why people would dislike it, and Lovecraft's work, though. Particularly Chapter XI of Dorian Gray.

I suppose it takes a love of the language to like verbosity. And I don't mean that as an insult, I simply mean it as some people have a "thing" for words. I definately do.

>>849327
I didn't claim him to be foreign. I know he lived in Providence his whole life. I just said it was the same reason people like foreign or arthouse films.

And I didn't say people who like him didn't like good literature. I just said people who like him haven't read good literature. I.E; stories with well-constructed... everything.

>>849339-- a "thing" for words. I definately do.

THEN SPELL IT PROPERLY. DEFINITELY.

You people seem to view yourselves as art critics by appreciating H.P.'s works. TBH, he puts me off. I have tried picking up several of his books and I can't stomach more than a few pages. His style is dry, boring, and foppish. Quite comical for a man who spent his life poor and unnapreciated. And I think there are some of you who actually think this makes him some kind of literary martyr or suffering artist. Rubbish.

I wish you guys could just drop it. It is really annoying and despite my accepting friendly nature, I really want to hate you for it.

i have read "mountains of madness" aned some others.

>>849342
I have read good literature. And I like Lovecraft simultaneously.

Does that mean I divided by zero?

Look, there isn't some universal standard by which all authors are judged. There's a reason there are not only different genres, but different writing styles. I appreciate Lovecraft's work for different reasons than I appreciate other authors' works.

I don't hold the same candle to all of them. Nor do I think anyone should.

>>849322
William Faulkner had very long run-on sentences. I think his longest sentence was more than 90 words. Probably longer. And Faulkner is great.

>>849337
Yup. That's Lovecraft fans to a T. No sarcasm, no bullshit. That's what you guys are like.

>>849347
Trollish comment, but yeah. I always spell it that way for some odd reason. I've had it corrected more than once on term papers. :/

>>849339
I'm a linguist. My grandfather was a linguist. I grew up with linguists. Trust me, I love the language. I love all language. Just loving language isn't enough to enjoy verbosity. Tycho Brahe's news posts on Penny Arcade, while verbose, are done cleverly and well, to where reading it isn't tiring but is, in fact, entertaining. Richard K. Morgan, Neil Gaiman, Jim Butcher, Richard Matheson. They all manage verbosity without wearing out their welcome. It comes naturally to them.

What I'm trying to say is Lovecraft feels forced, and you're still coming off as pretentious.

>>849357
Faulkner could do it.

>>849349

I pretty much feel the same way. I wish people could just be less "devotional" I guess is the word, especially to someone who can't write that well, but that's beside the point.

>>849363
I agree to a point. I probably couldn't read an entire novel by Lovecraft. It would certainly be far too droll for anything lengthy.

I don't have a problem with it in short stories, however. I've read an entire book's worth of his short stories and found myself still interested. Though I admit it's mainly idea-driven interest rather than his writing style.

And I'm sorry my previous statement came off as pretentious. I realized it was after I posted it.

Seriously, are Lovecraft threads going to become the same as religion threads? People yell back and forth, accomplishing nothing?

At least with religion, that sort of shit makes sense. It's all crazy. But Lovecraft wrote HORROR. Whether his shit's good or not, /x/ should lap it up. Look at what else we like - the Holders, SCP, creepypasta written by losers who probably haven't even graduated college.

>>849376
This discussion's actually become civil if you've noticed.

Ok, here's how we can solve this.

Lovecraftians. Admit he's shitty. Most of you seem to admit that he is.

Just say he sucks and you like bad things and we can all move on.

>>849383
Until now.

>>849383
Truth. More than half of you seem willing to admit that he has a bad writing style and good ideas. Just make the leap one step further.

>>849381
It just took 100 posts.

I'm not just talking about this specific thread though. It seems like every Lovecraft thread now turns into a shitfest with people saying he's a horrible writer. Even if the writing itself is bad, the ideas behind most of his stories are better than most everything /x/philes create themselves. It seems really asinine to say Lovecraft is bad while praising some short creepypasta written in an hour as the best thing /x/ has ever seen.

>>849376
No, but my Computer Science degree is worthless anyway.
Also, Lovecraft was an amateurish writer, but he was also a pulp writer, so what the fuck do you expect? Lovecraft is relevant not for his writing, but for his ideas. He created the Mythos, a living breathing world that far better writers have also contributed to.

>>849399
But... he's a one trick pony. It's always the same nonsense. Normal dry boring stuff interspersed with hints of horrible deathly realizations of some made-up creature(s) from ancient times.

And this shit:
>>849383
>>849398
It's no different from atheists demanding that Christians admit that their religion is stupid, or vice versa.

A rule like "No religion threads" makes sense to me because they're only about pointless arguing.

Seeing this thread and others like it, a rule like "No Lovecraft threads" makes sense, too. And that's a fucking shame.

>>849413
At least one Lovecraft fan has managed to make the connection between their irrational fandom and religion.

>>849410
It's a lot better than what Derleth turned it into.

A fucking mystical, elemental heap filled with religious dualism.

>>849399
Most of those creepypasta are better written.

>>849413
You did seriously not just compare Lovecraft to Christianity.

>>849410
If you think about it hard enough, horror fiction itself is a one-trick pony: There are people who are normal, and crazy shit happens. Maybe there's a little change: Crazy people are crazy, and crazier shit happens.

>>849425
If you think I compared Lovecraft to Christianity, then you need to go back to grade school and learn some reading comprehension.
>>849422
gb2/bed troll

>>849437
>it's no different from atheists demanding that Christians admit that their religion is stupid

>it's no different

SHAZAM WHO NEEDS TO LEARN SOME FUCKING COMPREHENSION?

>>849399
I'm not some butthurt Lovecraft fan (I've only read one or two of his stories), but I think you have to keep in mind that this shit was written almost 100 years ago. Of course it's going to be a little difficult to traverse.

>>849427
Poe managed not to turn it into a one-trick pony.

He actually gave the characters a role rather than solely the events.

>>849445
That's the thing though. Lovecraft is easy as hell to comprehend because it is totally uncomplicated. That's one of the things that makes it so boring, among many others. And let's not forget all the almost comically offensive bits. And there are many better, older works of literature, so I think you're making faulty assumptions.

>>849471
No, in fact. He is completely diluted and bogged down by his own words. He is very difficult to understand.

>>849442
>SHAZAM WHO NEEDS TO LEARN SOME FUCKING COMPREHENSION?
You, obviously.
Anti-Lovecraft idiots demanding that Lovecraft fans admit that Lovecraft sucks = Atheists demanding that Christians admit that their religion is stupid

One side won't be happy until the other side says their beliefs are stupid.

This thread was doing fine, with fans talking to fans. Then some dick said Lovecraft sucked, along with a picture of a dick. Fans felt the need to defend Lovecraft, as most fans tend to do when someone insults what they like, and idiots fanned the flames by decided that today was the day to spread their hatred of H.P. Lovecraft.

This thread would have been fine if one fucker hadn't shared his views, that no one asked for, by the way.

>>849477
Get over yourself.

You are the problem with this world. Because someone had a difference of opinion than you, you felt personally attacked, instead of focusing on a larger problem; why do you read shitty literature?

Me asking you to just say 'lovecraft sucks' is by and large NOT the same as me asking a Christian to say 'jesus is a douche'.

Half the people in this thread have already admitted he's a terrible writer. Why not just make it official?

And as for getting an opinion you didn't ask for? You did ask for it. You posted your own opinion on The Outsider, which is an invitation for others opinions.

Other people also gave you their opinions, which you didn't ask for. But you didn't care because they agreed with you.

Lovecraft was a racist pompous asshole hack with no writing talent and his grave is a stain on the state of Rhode Island. There, I said it.

Negro Eggs.

>>849475
I'm sorry you have such difficulty understanding it? To me it is like reading an unimaginative creepypasta with good spelling and grammar that is a bit too wordy.

>>849487
You live in RI by any chance? I hardly ever meet a /b/tard or what have you from RI.

Also, I think you're going a bit overboard. I dislike criticism like yours because it insinuates that a piece of literature is either "OMG AWESOME" or "HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER."

There are midranges, and I think that's where Lovecraft belongs.

There are far worse authors.

>>849487
>Me asking you to just say 'lovecraft sucks' is by and large NOT the same as me asking a Christian to say 'jesus is a douche'.
You're forcing your opinion on someone else without any real reason to do so. If someone thinks masturbating in front of an elementary school is a good thing to do, then yes, you should get the person to change his mind. But wanting people to admit someone is a bad writer just because you think he's bad? Get over yourself, fucker.

Also, I haven't made every single post in this thread. Don't act like I have. I'm not OP, and I'm not one of the people who gave an opinion on Lovecraft. I'm just someone tired of seeing huge shitfest threads on /x/. If you want to argue pointless, go to /b/, where it's to be expected.

>>849487
OP asked for opinions on The Outsider, not Lovecraft himself. He just wanted to discuss a story he read.

>>849399
because trolls are under some queer impression that if you enjoy lovecraft you must want to suck his cock because he's the most amazing writer ever. trademark 4chan logic, however - people here really are incapable of conceiving that normal human beings can enjoy things without devolving into 'fandom' or perverse obsession. this idea is truly beyond some people. especially trolls.

>>849501
Oh, I agree there are midranges.

I just think Lovecraft belongs on the extreme side. Sorry.

>>849507
>>849502
FAGS

Hm. Well, the efforts I went to to keep this a civil discussion on the merits and shortcomings of our body Lovey-C seem to have fallen short when

>>849487

showed up.

A shame. There's no saving this thread.

>>849514
I feel your pain. I'm just watching this thread spiral back down.

no... i seriously don't know why anyone here is even 'arguing' with the trolls. they subscribe to extremist logic that you can only love or hate things. they clearly can't tolerate you enjoying lovecraft, so what makes you think they can even comprehend the concept of toleration or passive indulgence? there is no gray area or spectrum of understanding to people like this.

getting this thread back on track, and speaking of more creepy stories, op, if you liked The Outsider you will surely like the first story in The King In Yellow. wikipedia it. the story's probably online. the rest is a bunch of blah creepy romance akin to shojo horror. also try The Great God Pan. pretty similar stuff to lovecraft, just kind of subtly creepy. lovecraft got some of his pantheon ideas from The King In Yellow as well.

>>849477
>Then some dick said Lovecraft sucked, along with a picture of a dick.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>849521
I agree with his Arthur Machen suggestion. The Great God Pan is a wonderful story.

>>849527
It was dragon cock. Horrible, horrible dragon cock.

>>849528
Same poster. I also suggest anything by Lord Dunsany, if you're into things that influenced Lovecraft, but are infinitely better than his work.

Plus, most of Dunsany's work is public domain.

Lovecraft's really cool. I like how he mixes horror and hard science. Of course, the whole thing can get pretty heavy (drunken guy in Shadow Over Innsmouth, especially for non-native speakers, and the technoinfo in Mountains of Madness) so it's not for everyone.

I can understand why the fans are defending Lovecraft here- but what's the point in bashing him? Seriously, have you nothing better to do? How does a group of nerds on the internet fapping to Lovecraft affect your life at all?

As a third party observer who only took the time to read the last 1/3rd or so of this topic, I dunno guys... I think there is a disconnect going on here. Some people are saying that H.P. Lovecraft exists in a gray area, but you don't go making thread after thread about something that you feel isn't special, and you certainly don't go reading book after book of the same author if you think he is somewhere approaching average.

I think you guys are just saying what you hope will quell the voices of those who dissagree with you. You wouldn't be so vehement in your defenses if you weren't "rabid" fans, or at the very least perhaps a bit too overtly enthusiastic.

>>849571

Yes, it does. Try living around a bunch of nerds and gothfags/magicfags/D&Dfags who constantly drop refferences to lovecraft. Then again, that sort of thing might be your cup of tea...

>>849571
at the risk of sounding prudish, some people are just absolutely miserable and don't even know it. this is how they delude themselves into thinking they feel good about themselves. nobody who trolls is ever 'just bored' or giving their opinion. there's always something else going on. they can crow all they want about just not giving a fuck and doing whatever they want but i can tell you now anybody who's really self-secure and happy with their life wouldn't need to be such an asshole for no reason. simple truth.

Dagon scared my shit at the end

>>849579
actually, i keep reading stephen king books even though i think he's a completely shitty writer. sometimes you just enjoy stuff even if you don't really like it all that much or know it's bad. if you know you enjoy it and it's not doing you any harm, why not continue enjoying it? i don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

>>849579
The man made a thread asking about a particular story. Where in the OP's post did he say "OMFG. I WANT TO SUCK LOVECRAFT'S PENCILDICK UNTIL THE SPAWN OF CTHULHU SHOOT INTO MY MOUTH."

Yes, there were people who went overboard with the Lovecraft defense in this thread, but why not post a thread about a bad author who had great ideas that are relevant to the subject material of this board?

>>849582
Here's an interesting question. Why do you associate with them?

They live near you, not with you. So the only real way you'd be hearing their conversations is if

A.) You actually hang out with these faggots.

B.) You're related to one of these faggots.

C.) You were still in highschool and were forced to interact with these faggots.

And if C.), please GTFO.

>>849585
I don't want to be mean here, but you do come off as ignorant. I am reminded of heated debates I've had with christian family members in which they would constantly categorize people who criticized their religion as being somehow bad people, or empty people, or whatever. Anything to keep themselves from actually thinking critically about their choice of faith. They'd go to great lengths to accomplish this, and these were people who were otherwise very intelligent.

>>849604
*sigh*

If you must know, since you seem intent on finding fault, I live in a dorm. Close quarters, 'nuff said.

>>849620
You can live in a dorm and never have to socialize with the people in it. Unless these people are your roommates, in which case I feel horrifically sorry for you.

Consider taking some .50 caliber aspirin. Or having them take it.

>>847432

AGREE ON EVERY POINT

>>847670

S.T. Joshi is a shit. I'm sick of all of his stupid introductions to all of my goddamn Lovecraft books

Lots of lovecraft stories here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:H._P._Lovecraft

Get readin' Although the longer ones like Dreamquests of the Unknown Kadath are way better in a book, but last I checked they were like 1p of amazon anyway.

>>849582
So you dislike Lovecraft because annoying people around you like him? Way to go.

>>849614
uh, no, that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm not saying that trolls are evil or bad people, just that the reason they go to such great lengths to get a negative reaction out of people is because they ARE seeking attention. they want to feel like superior or validated or whatever. do you REALLY think that anybody who goes out of their way to piss other people off is doing so because they want to hear what those other people have to say or what they think? no. they just want the attention.

i understand where you're coming from and you're right - calling your detractors 'sad people' is deluded. but i've been friends with a self-categorized 4chan troll before. believe me, trolls don't troll because it's just ~fun~. i'm sure it seems fun but it also subconsciously does something for them and pulls them further into a negative guilt cycle.

when is it EVER a rational, calm idea to enter into a pointless argument with people simply to declare their ideas worthless - and not once, but multiple times? i'm sorry, but it's not. that comes of the intention to get a rise out of people. that's called trolling.

>>849629
S.T. Joshi is very annoying, I agree. There's something very wrong about a man who makes a career talking about other peoples' works, and interpreting them like his opinion means jack shit.

Being a critic is one thing, but he damn near adheres to only a few authors.

>>849614
plus, do you really think that's even a valid analogy? a rational debate about religion vs. some trolls demanding that everybody declare lovecraft a shitty writer?? REALLY? what kind of debates do you HAVE about religion - the kind where you just demand that all christians declare their religion debunked and faulty because you know better? i don't think you know what a debate is.

>>849647
You sound just like my mother. I don't buy her bullshit, and I'm certainly not going to buy yours.

I'm quite a fan of the works of Thomas Ligotti, who is quite influenced by Lovecraft, though is quite distinct from him as well. His work is highly recommended, and is considered by many to be some of the best in recent horror.

>>849670
YES! RESIST THOSE DAMN XTIANS!!! REIST THE AUTHORITY AND OPPRESSION!! TEEN SPIRIT!!

>>849670
He's not telling any bullshit. He's saying that trolls are hurt people who get their jollies by pissing people off, and that they do so because they have some problem with their lives.

It's the same shit with bullies - they pick on others because they hate themselves or want attention or whatever. Because, in a way, trolls are bullies, causing trouble just to make themselves feel better.

exactly, thank you. but of course that's just a bunch of bullshit made up by his mom, bullies and trolls are just fine people who just happen to have a fun time being badass dickweeds to everyone around them! all that psychological stuff about bullies is just a bunch of christian nonsense made up to brainwash the good atheists of the internet, of course.

>>849684
You classify your detractors as trolls thereby washing your hands of any logical responsibility. Then you go on to categorize anyone you've put into that box as being somehow emotionally deprived.

I think you all have serious problems confronting the truth.

I think this thread has deteriorated into a bunch of smug fags who think they are qualified psychologists or something.

>>849705
the truth? you mean, your opinion that lovecraft sucks. that being your opinion. you actually categorize your opinion as 'the truth' and you think that i have problems?

really?

does the fact that you can't force me to think what you think frustrate you? does that lack of control bother you?

Wow, dude. I didn't say any of that.
Wow.

>>849674

ps some of his stuff is in /rs/

>>849712
Hello? Do you maybe want to take that back? You kinda went psycho there. I think you lost track or something.

>>849705
There's a difference between having your opinion and saying that everyone who doesn't believe the same thing as you is a faggot. The people in this thread who say Lovecraft sucks haven't been merely saying that Lovecraft sucks. They've been saying that anyone who likes him is a retarded faggot, that he's one of the worst authors ever, that all his fans deserve to be shot, etc.

That sort of vehement hatred is what makes them trolls. They're not simply stating a different opinion. They're saying you're stupid if you don't agree with them.

>>849730
yeah i just beat yume nikki and i'm really bored now. but i don't take any of that back, no.

AUTO-SAGE TIME! YAY!

Here's hoping the next Lovecraft thread won't turn into such a shitfest. The important thing is to not feed the trolls. If someone says Lovecraft sucks, just ignore the post. You don't have to defend Lovecraft's memory or anything like that.

>>849735
You're exaggerating, and still not even addressing any of the valid points made by people who weren't just trolling. You're ignoring them instead.

>>849748
ok what valid points are these? that lovecraft is a terrible writer, that he's racist, that he's overly verbose, that his ideas aren't even that interesting?

i think you're skimming over the fact that nobody really cares and they're going to read lovecraft anyway and nobody here is sucking his dick. they just like to read his stories. get the fuck over it and move on.

>>849740
Alright, but I never said any of that stuff, so you're just being a hypocrite if you want to go ahead and assume the role of a troll.

Waaaaaaaat?! God damn trolls. This is why we can't have nice things.

>>849748
I'm exaggerating?
See these:
>>849383
>>849398
>>848489

>>849756
Typical lovecraft fan defending his faggotry till the very end.

>>849763
THATS RIGHT NIGGER
SEE YOU NEXT TIME

>>849773
Troll playing puppetmaster to the very end.

>>849771
>>849763
>>849756
>>849740

BAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahaha another thread ruined

Suck it, faggots

>>849783
>>849786
OH SHI-

>>849783

Oops, I wrecked your shit. My bad.